The .22 Rifle | Myths And Truths Exposed

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January 14, 2019 / Comments (2,536)

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For a .22 rifle to be common in most American households, it must be something. So check out the whys and why not’s of this humble hunting firearm here!

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In this article:

  1. Should You Keep One?
  2. The Two-Fold Achilles Heel of the .22 Rifle
  3. Why You Still Need a .22 Rifle

22 Rifle Review: Is It a Keeper?

Should You Keep One?

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The .22 Rifle has long been one of my favorite rifles to shoot. It’s not as powerful as a .308, but the 22 assault rifle has been around for a long time and for good reason.

The .22 Long Rifle rim-fire cartridge is considered innovation and a legend among gun enthusiasts since it was introduced in 1887. In fact, gun owners consider it to be better than the .357 ammunition revolver. Is it true?

That may not be the case as some see the .22 rifle as a mere air rifle. Let’s zoom in on what it can and cannot do.

It is not as efficient for short-range distance like the shotguns and pistols, but its effectivity comes out when used on medium-to-long-range distances. The only downside is it might be too heavy to carry around and is not suitable for survivalists.

The Two-Fold Achilles Heel of the .22 Rifle

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I’ve often heard it said, “If you poke enough holes in something, it’ll go down.” Usually, this is said by avid .22LR ammunition advocates, defending their ancient heritage or new purchase of this reliable long rifle.

You need at least 2,000 fps to get the most out of a gun and disable a target. This can mean grazing, climbing, or pointing guns in your direction.

The .22LR ammunition loads have a power estimate of 1,280 fps at the muzzle. This has been tested on 22 rifles semi-auto with .22 ammunition.

If the bullet reaches 100 yards, the velocity drops to 1,015 fps. That’s basically half of what a deadly gun can do, which is why it has comparisons to an air gun by many.

What Is Velocity? It is a measurement of an object’s speed relative to its direction of motion.

Also, since it has low velocity, it tends to have accuracy issues. This means a slight breeze will likely cause you to miss the target.

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Why You Still Need a .22 Rifle

Sure, you may opt for an air rifle, semi-automatic rifle, long rifle, or whatever suits your taste. But in choosing a bullet like the .22LR ammunition, it’s best to set our expectations right.

Debunk the ‘one-size-fits-all’ belief because every bullet has its pros and cons including the .22LR. and, the .22LR ammunition does have strengths…lots and lots of strengths.

The idea of carrying over 1,000 rounds of ammunition is music to the ears of every survivalist. The .308 is really heavy, but the .22LR is so light you can bring massive amounts of this bullet.

The secret behind its featherweight is it doesn’t contain any brass, lead, or powder. Besides, it’s available almost everywhere.

Since the bullet lacks velocity, you may not be considering this bullet for hunting, right? The interesting part is the .22LR caliber rifle is better than other hunting cartridges exactly because of its low velocity.

The meat does not mess up upon penetration – thanks to the absence of hydrostatic shock. Sure, it lacks firepower but sometimes, less is more.

For these reasons Brad Zozak from the TruthAboutGuns, named the Ruger 10/22, “the single most popular firearm of all time.”


Out to buy your first .22 rifle? Watch this video by PaulsWackyWorld to make sure you buy the right gun for you:

Many people have misconceptions or preconceived notions about .22 rifles. It’s a fun rifle to shoot and an economical choice for the ammo conscious survivalist.

The .22LR is a fantastic survival cartridge, but it shouldn’t be your only option. Stay safe, keep your guns ready, knives sharp, and never forget to memorize the basics of preparedness.

Do you own a .22 rifle? Tell us about your own thoughts about this rifle in the comments section below!

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Editor’s Note: This post was originally published on April 18, 2018, and has been updated for quality and relevancy.

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The .22 Rifle | Myths And Truths Exposed

  1. Martin says:

    I have a Mossberg 46B(a).22 and can reach out to 100 yards with a mounted scope. As much as I do believe this rifle is necessary for survival, I do use it as a small game gun as opposed to putting meat on the table for a week at a time.
    It is accurate, but not the rifle for sustainment over a long period of time and I would not use it in a “firefight” past 50 yards.

  2. Dean Haven says:

    Great article! I think the 22LR is a great cartridge and very handy to have. However, ammo has become impossible to find. If you find any at gun shows the cost is comparable to centerfire ammo. Your article says 500 rounds for under $20. I’ll take 20 bricks right now.

  3. Adam says:

    Excellent article and very applicable to gun owners in the UK. Because of our extremely strict gun ownership laws here , requiring a gun owner to be registared with a local club, .22 are very popular. Most towns have a 25 metre .22 range which entitles members to hold .22 rifles. To own anything bigger you have to belong to a range that caters fro that type of weapon, and most of those are 100 m plus , therefore think on the ground in urban areas.

  4. ronnie says:

    I will always have my .22 with me(as well as 1 or 2 center-fire, 9 mm. or up) for all the reasons you have(tongue-in-cheek) cursed and discoursed -?- in your article. GREAT ARTICLE!!

  5. David Prose says:

    I’ve used the 22 for many purposes, from ground hog control coyote to putting squirrels and rabbits on the table. The only thing I carry running trap line. I’ve seen deer brought down. As far as a self defense round it will do the job in a pinch if that is all you have available. Very fine round I wouldn’t hesitate a moment.

  6. Gary says:

    A good article to say the least. But it is obviously dated at best when you make reference to “Being able to spend less than $20 on a 500-round ‘brick’ of ammo”. We will probably never see those prices again due to both inflation and hoarding. Just recently I was able to purchase a 550-round brick at a gun show for the incredibly low price of $65. That was a good deal here in Northeast Florida. Mostly the prices are as high as $90 for the same brick.
    The .22 while flexible and easy to carry is not the definitive answer. But it is better to carry ine than to not have it at all.

  7. Mike Hess says:

    One should also consider with a VERY open mind the .22 Magnum. I know of several Native American tribes that use it for Deer. They NECK shoot them with a 22 Mag H.P. ….

  8. Cap'n Dave says:

    Obviously written a while back. Less than $20 for a brick of 500 rounds? Talk about the “good old days.” Most gun shows I’ve been to for the last 6 months are selling them for $80.

  9. left Coast Chuck says:

    Good thought-provoking article discussing the pros and cons of the .22. There is no perfect weapon. If there were, there would be only one weapon in the world. I would point out that in a shtf situation, the smart ones will quickly come to realize that any penetrating wound will be a lot more serious than it is today with readily available medical care and antibiotics. In a shtf world, a penetrating wound with its path loaded with pathogens will be a very serious wound. A .22 wound channel would be difficult to irrigate and clean out. From what I have learned about .22 gunshot wounds, they often do not follow a straight course through the body but zigzag and bounce around. Getting body hit with a .22 can equal a long, slow, painful death in a shtf situation or maybe not. Feeling lucky, punk? Well, do ya?

  10. Jaime Cancio says:

    With all the years I have been a field comes this advice: when carrying a high powered rifle carry a small caliber handgun; however, when carrying a .22 Cal Rifle carry a larger caliber handgun. That way you are covering all possible situations.

    With that said, one of the best all around carry only one firearm I used was a carbine conversion Thompson Center Contender chambered in .357 Casull Magnum using a 180 grain bullet that gave .308/7.62 performance: I could also use in that little shoulder cannon .357 Magnum, all high power .38 Cal rounds, .38 Specials and .38 Shorts.

    The .357 Casull Magnum was reloaded only using either duplex or triplex loadings of powders. In one firearm having the capacity to take rabbits and small game and by changing into the .357 Casull round could bring down anything in the Americas. Using .38 Shorts at discharge it was very difficult to tell the round had been fired and it was once very uncomfortable explaining to a Sheriff officer and Fish and Game Officer the firearm was in no way silenced. Reloading those rounds down to 650 fps and was accurate out beyond 50 yards; however, using the .357 Casual at discharge the weapon sounded like a .50 Cal round going off and provided 2,700 fps velocities using the 180 grain bullets and was very accurate as the Contender was using a 20 inch ‘bull’ barrel custom built. Came with this conversion kit a rifle style butt stock and fore end.

    One item to note using the .357 Casull Magnum with its duplex and triplex loadings – recoil was much lighter and seemed to be a slight push over a prolonged time: that said, discharging the .357 Magnum you heard what could be mistaken for a .30 Cal Carbine and the recoil was every bit as much as the M-1 .30 Cal Carbine.

    The best .22 Cal Rifle I ever used was a Weatherby Mark XXII and used this in combination with a Redfield 3×9 power scope. That package would shoot rings around a Ruger 10/22. The trick to using .22 Cal is to find a round that works well in your rifle and stick with that one round…my choice was CCI Mini-Mags Hollow Points and filling the hollow points with wax to insure the hollow points didn’t fold close and the wax acting like a piston flowed back into the hollow point cavity insuring expansion – some times spectacular and I have seen CCI rounds flattened out the size of a dime.

  11. BodySnatcher says:

    “The hottest of hunting .22LR loads are cruising along at 1,280fps at the muzzle.” This is not entirely correct. There are “hot” hunting rounds that exceed 1,600 feet per second. This is not the 2,000 fps that Dave Henderson mentions to achieve the “…death-dealing power necessary for an incapacitating strike on the shooter’s target.” However, using hotter ammunition like the Aguila “Super Maximum – Hyper Velocity @ 1,700 fps” & “CCI Segmented Hollow Point @ 1,640 fps.” will greatly improve the performance of the .22 Long Rifle cartridge.

  12. RJ says:

    While the Author is correct about the use of the 22lr on big game and making a humane kill, I have read numerous research articles that indicate the lowly 22lr is responsible for more deaths than any other round.

  13. Edgar says:

    I am 68 yrs old . my grand father hunted deer with single shot 22long . He always shot the deer in the eye once !!!! He was hunting for food !

  14. Pete says:

    Being able to drop a rabbit or squirrel with a clean head shot is easy to do with practice. For over fifty years the .22 has been a part of my hunting gear and will continue to be.

  15. Kent Mc Caslin says:

    My dad gave me his old rifle that shoots “.22 shorts” only. As a kid growing up in Wisconsin he filled the dinner pot with squirrels and rabbits.

  16. rick says:

    The .22 magnum is my choice for a survival weapon. It gives you the fps your looking for and the amo is light weight enough to carry 1000 rounds no problem. Larger caliber handgun (.357/44) would be ideal combo for survival situation. (actually could carry more amo if needed)

  17. Randy says:

    Close friend of mine lives right at the foot of a nearby mountain in western Arkansas. Bears are constantly causing problems with his garden and fruit trees. He is not a hunter and only owns one gun…a .22 rifle. A small bear got after his little house dogs one night, and he walked out and started blasting away with his .22 intending to scare the bear away. Next morning he discovered the dead bear in his driveway with one gunshot to the head. I personally wouldn’t go bear hunting with a .22 caliber rifle, but I wouldn’t underestimate its capabilities.

  18. Meeteetse says:

    Farmers and ranchers have used the little .22 for years to handle most problems. Keeping the pests out of the hen house or out of the yard for example. No one expects the .22 to replace a large caliber rifle (.270, .308, 30/06, etc.) for general hunting, but it may be the most useful of all calibers. If you are a true “hunter” and understand what it means to stalk your game and get close, a .22 can and has taken larger game animals like antelope and deer. Anyone living away from general society, whether by choice (farmer/rancher)or necessity(SHTF)would be foolish to do so without a good .22 rifle, and two or more is better in case one breaks. There may be a perfect caliber for different situations; hunting, personal protection, pest control, escape and evasion, survival, but it is difficult to own and/or carry everything. Having a “quality” general purpose rifle in a larger caliber and a “quality” .22 covers many situations. Would I make it my first choice for self-defense, NO, but it is better than throwing rocks.

  19. peter says:

    The 22 is for me. As I have grown older I have found the larger rounds to punishing, both in recoil and let’s not forget the noise. When you see Hollywood version of gun fight dozens of rounds are expended, you are simply are deaf from it and the bite of a .45 on my old bones is too much. Same said for my 14yr old. Tactically a 3 tap from a 22 is a kill. I have a 22 air rifle that I can practice with in my yard safely which shoots the same as my 10/22. Can’t say I can get that kind of practice time or budget with my 5.56. This method keeps my 22 practice @200 rounds for $4 and saves my rimfires for weekends! And while were on the subject, 12 gauge or .410. Same points in favor of the .410. Now I can switch to very deadly .410 slug (same size as a .45 but a whole lot more powerful. Hornady makes a shell with a bullet followed by 3 balls for hogs) if I need some power. With both you have all the options cover at the same time in a light weight/low noise recoil switch-up package.

  20. TheSwafferOne says:

    Yeah, but a 22 magnum is devastating, shot a bird on a fence post and nothing but feathers were left.

  21. wes larson says:

    How does the Henry survival rifle which shoots a .22 LR with hollow point fit into your catalog of all around survival hunting rifles? Thanks, Wes.

  22. Warm1 says:

    Most of the comments below have good points–particularly meeteetse, edgar, and leftcoastchuck.
    Personally, the .22 is unequalled for versatility. Remember—if the SHTF & you need to grab your G.O.O.D.
    back pack & leave your home, WEIGHT has to be THE main concern. Sure, I would like to have a variety of
    arms, but I can’t carry them & AMMO. TWO MORE EXTREMELY versatile high velocity cartridges are the .243
    Winchester & 6mm Remington. Eskimos have hunted BIG game for decades with the .243. One more thing to mention: the .22 rimfire placed more deer, squirrel, and rabbits on the dinner table during the Depression years than ANYTHING else. The Depression was truly a time of SURVIVAL !!

  23. Ted I Lewis says:

    Having been into Buckskinning for over 40 years. I have lived the mountain man way of life. Ron-de-voos went to hell. And people all over the country started Pack-ins. A group , 5-6, will meet at a spot. And plan on staying gone for a week or two. And EVERYTHING carried? Has to be 1820 or back. A trip like this? Will tell who knows what they have bragged about around the camp fire or not! Every day. two are picked for the daily hunting or fishing duties. Will not see them until about dark 30. Hopefully with a meal in hand. The reason i bring this up? I have carried a 22.5 cal. black powder gun for years. And it has always put meat on the table. I do the same today with my grandkids. We will stay gone here in the mountains of Montana for a week at a time. But now i carry, as well as my kids. a single shot 22. And we have only ONE TIME had jerky stew. Getting old and can’t carry 2000 rounds of 308-119.7 lbs. But 22? 19.6 lbs. And after firing every round out for 22’s. Have found the Remington, Yellow Jacket- HP, to do things some will say is BS. But at 100 yds, into jell. Did mushroom and left a 4-1/2 in. wound channel. Thats average on 10 rounds. At 50 yds? Went through down vest-denim shirt and still mushed out. Most i have seen, stopped up and did not mushroom. So i have built two S&W AR 22’s. And know that in a fight my 308 will be for OUT THERE. But in a long fight? How many rounds does the bad guy have? I will have 2000! And WILL PICK my shots! And i still remember what a old mountain man told me years ago. KISS= keep it simple stupid. That holds true today. Give the Yellow Jacket a try, if you can find them. They are faster then any of the others i have fired. Even zingers or voli. Remington uses powder they came up with for the round. And the bullit is heavier then any i have weighed. Some of you might waqnt to try a Pack-in. Get a friend and see how you get by. Just start out with a weekend trip. Carry almost nothing. And LEARN! After a few trips? You will be able to get by with very little. And i know for sure. The way our country is now? You will need what you learn by doing this. If i am allowed to? I will post the things i carry now. Will surprise a lot of people. How little you really need to live and live good. Later. Thanks, Ted I Lewis

  24. SGT Rud says:

    While I do believe you are correct on the price for ammunition, and its hording ability prior to needing to bug-out, there are many more points to be made for and against. Another pro is that most 22LR rifles are smaller and lighter weight than other rifles, making the 22LR rifle desirable as a bug-out firearm. Same goes with the ammunition, you can essentially carry more of it without which means it will last longer than other calibers depending on its use.

  25. Great, comprehensive article! This article provides terrific clarity to the oftimes misrepresented …………………………22. Many less experienced preppers seem convinced that all that is needed is a .22 rifle and open lands, to make the future survivable. Train, plan and know your gear! In the tactical training world, I call the little .22 the “kill ya later round”. It does not have enough hydrostatic shock associated with it to instantaneously put down even the slightly determined bad guy, but manages to cause the recipient blood loss due to the round bouncing off of bone and redirecting through muscle. He/she will end up having a very bad day!

  26. SavvyCowboy says:

    I’ve center-massed squirrels from 50+ yds with open sites on my 30+ yr old Marlin semi. I’m getting another .22LR with a scope so I can shoot the @$$ off a fly at 150 yds. The bottom line is if you can hit what you aim at 100% of the time, taking an eye out at 100 yds with a .22LR will leave your target just as dead has a between the eyes with a 30-06, just not as immediate, but you still accomplish the mission.

  27. JB Cook says:

    Great article. The FACT is, numerous whitetail Deer have been taken with a 22 WMR. Although the article is primarily discussing the 22 LR, I know with 100% Certainty the 22 Magnum round is “Under Appreciated”. If I was forced to own only 1 weapon, it would be a 22 Magnum. All the Best

  28. brdcrk49 says:

    The 22lr is absolutely a must for a survival weapon for all the reasons you stated but another weapon is also important. I have a Savage 24C o/u breakdown with 22lr on top of 20 ga. I keep 20 ga slugs, 00 buckshot and #4 birdshot with it so a lot of areas are covered. A center fire rifle will be added.

  29. Jim Grogg says:

    Enjoyed your article on the 22LR. Now would you please write an article on the 22 Mag cartridge and compare the two. I will guess for a little more money and weight the 22 Mag is the best bet. Can’t wait to read the article. Keep up the good work

  30. james says:

    this 2014 and if you can find 22 rounds of any type they cost as much as 223 does. the 20 dollar brick is a thing of the past.

  31. Mike says:

    I think the .22 is a waste of weight if you are considering it for the purpose of a bug out bag. If you want a real hunting round the little Rossi .410 gauge youth model that converts to .22 is a good gun.

    It is small and light, leave the rifle barrel at home. An assortment of .410 shells will do whatever you need and it is not beyond reason to kill a deer with a slug. We all shoot like Davy Crockett when we are rested and warm. But spend a week cold in the weeds and see what your skills turn into. I have been out with guys with the little survival .22’s and they laugh at my baby shotgun. Until they need the meat.

    How do you consider the 10-22 a bug out bag gun? It don’t fit in the bag…

  32. Joe says:

    I love the .22 LR and have had one for many years. I actually have a 60 year old Remington single shot that I got from my grandfather thru my father. It has been shot at least 5000 times and still works great. My Marlin semiauto is a dream to shoot. .22 LR ammo is now hard to find, luckly I got 1000 rounds before it became scarce, and not much chearper than the .223 I bought recently. I have many years working with the US military and have shot guns of all types for over 45 years, no one caliber does it all. I use my AR10 in .308 for big game, punching through a windshield, sheet metal, etc. and shooting at 600 meters, my AR15 in .223 for smaller game, varmits(when needed), close quarters combat and distances up to 300 meters, the .22 is for practice, small game(rabbits, etc) and under 100 meters. I have known people that have killed a deer with a .22 but it was a point blank shot and they were poaching. One seldom gets this close and I would not even use my .223 on a deer and I have gotten within 30 foot on several occations. A gun is a tool and no tool does it all. The military uses the .223, the .308 and 300 Win Mag in AR platforms and rounds up to .50 BMG for snipers and long range armour piercing. Different calibers for different purposes. Also better to have more than one gun so if one breaks or you run out of that ammo you have a backup.

  33. Mike says:

    There has been comments concerning the use of .22 as a man killer. I will attest that it will kill folks but not easily and definitely not quickly without good shot placement. I have worked murders involving the .22 and assaults with the round.

    The stories about it skipping around inside is sometimes true but it is also true it has bounced off skulls and been deflected by ribs. The most I have seen soaked up has been eight rounds and the guy died in the ambulance laughing about kicking the other guys ass.

    But I have also had one shot kills with it.

    The .22 kills a lot of folks because there are a lot of them not because they are good for it..hydrostatic shock really is important…

  34. willowa says:

    The .22 LR has at least one loading, the CCI ‘Stinger’ that has a velocity close to 1,500 fps! In tests, the stinger penetrates more layers of soft body armor than any handgun round tested, up to and including the .357 mag. That said, there is a lot it won’t do, however, largely because of the amount of ammo you can carry easily, it would be foolish not to include it. When all other ammo is exhausted, the 500 rounds of .22 LR you still have is going to look pretty darn good!

  35. James says:

    Mine is my grandfathers Rem. 511 made in 49. Still acurate and I would not be without it.

  36. DAY says:

    In the words of most survivalists I have read, when the SHTF, ‘a hit with a 22 is better than a miss with 45’… In other words, I believe if you can have your other half just slinging enough lead at the other guy (and you can afford to sling/waste 22 cal rounds)and keep him from getting off a good shot, you can be getting a good aim on him with your bigger caliber rifle… and the wife can handle the ‘recoil’ of the 22 better than a 308..

  37. Buck Crosby says:

    Everything about the 22 rimfire is improved by stepping up to the 22 magnum rimfire , the ONLY down side being the cost or expense of the ammo .

  38. Michael says:

    Something I might add to the discussion of the 22long rifle cartridge is that it is an easy round to suppress. Either the rifle or a pistol can be suppressed to allow the taking of small game or defending yourself. Minimal noise allows a lot of opportunities. Especially around fowl. In the proverbial SHTF, a head shot to duck, geese and turkey’s works wonders as well as for doves and pigeons! One of these will be in my Bug out bag always. P.S. I do not have any suppressors but they can be easily made.

  39. Lockpick says:

    .22 mags seem to be easier to find now, but it is still expensive. The .22LR I have found for good prices is non-ballistic and I refuse to use that.

    At least when I hit something with a .22 mag I know I have a good chance of knocking it down. I have both a revolver and a bolt action.

  40. Robert says:

    You have a wide range of very valuable information. Why is it necessary to use “crude” language? Is vocabulary so limited to be unable to convey thoughts & ideas by no other way than vulgar obscenities ?

  41. TSgt B says:

    I have at least a dozen .22 rifles, and several .22 pistols. I consider all of them SHTF weapons. I carry a Ruger MKII Government Target Model in the bugout bag, and a 10/22 ON the bugout bag. I also keep an AR-7 in my truck.

    As to the availability of .22 lr, I’ve been able to accumulate well over 10,000 rounds in the last 10-12 months at WalMart, just by talking to the help, finding out when the shipments arrive, and getting there EARLY EARLY EARLY. All at WalMart prices. Just a few days ago I purchased over 1,500 rounds of Remington Golden Bullet for around $70.00.

    Good hunting.

  42. birdman says:

    I have a couple of 22 rifles. one is a Ruger 10/22, and the other is a old bolt action Sears 22LR. both shoot very well, the Ruger better than the Sears, that’s a no brainer. I agree that you need bigger rounds for big game, but a 22 LR will definitely put a hurting on a burglar or rapist. I wouldn’t leave home without them!!

  43. Ken says:

    I have a ruger 10/22 takedown in my get home bag. Add a nice para cord sling and three 25 rnd mags and 200 spare rounds and it will work well to help me get home. Add a red dot sight and it’s accurate easily to 100 yards. In a get home situation is great for low profile, yet it can put out a lot of bullets fast in a bad situation.

  44. Slickpreps says:

    One downside of the .22 is that rimfire cartidges don’t have as long of a shelf life. However, I’m still a big fan for many of the reasons listed above.

  45. Viet Vet says:

    We used a silenced .22 colt woodsman for assassination missions in Vietnam. Bullet placement trumps caliber any day.

  46. al dunigan says:

    Very interesting to find out how everyone feels about the .22LR. Like so many other hunters it was my first real firearm. It was amazing to me the shots I made with only iron sights. The beloved lil .22 often refered to as a “tack driver” is very adept at putting game on table. You can tote one for miles, all day, and it won’t wear you out. The
    report upon firing won’t deafen you when you
    forget to put your earplugs in. And it has proven to be quite lethal in a variety of situations. But bottom line it’s a peashooter that lacks knockdown
    capability, and in dire survival situations, when you need to dispatch an attacker with some certainty so you can focus on his partner, you will have much better chances of surviving if your throwing a few more grams of lead at a greater velocity.

  47. Mac says:

    Pretty much agree with the above article on the 22lr rifle. I believe the absolute minimum as a grab&go would be a 22lr rifle & handgun. My own is an old Remington M24 (read Browning) take down. An S&W M34 22/32 kit gun 4″bbl handgun. No extra mags etc. required, just a common ammo. This is a minimum, along with a large & small fixed blade and a folding knife. a fire starter, about 500 rds of solid high speed ammo. Tooth paste & toilet paper (for morale}. This will all fit into a medium day pack. Add other goodies as time and space permit./

  48. Barnabas says:

    I have a Mossberg Tactical 22 LR with 2 25 round magazines. I can shoot a minimum of 10 rounds in 4-5 seconds. I use Federal 1260 fps copper hollow points and Winchester Super-X 1430 fps copper hollow points. I also have a nice scope. With the Winchester round I can explode a gallon water jug at 100 yards. I’m not sure how that translates to human tissue though our bodies are 90% water.

    For those of use that don’t have $1500 and up for a center fire rifle, I think that the 22 LR is still a fair self defense option in semi-automatic. I have set up life sized human targets and can consistently make 5-10 round head shots.

    Yes I have 12, 20, and .410 shot guns and a 45 ACP hand gun. I have those .410 rounds with the slugs and pellets as well as slugs and 00 Buck. I also have slugs and 00 Buck for my other shot guns too. I live in a very rural area and have killed many a coyote with my 22 LR.

    Everyone makes fine arguments for and against the 22 LR. If I hear something outside or my dogs go off I grab my Mossberg 22 first. It is easier to grab an extra clip than to have to gather a bunch of shot gun shells to head out the door. I believe that well placed rounds from the 22 LR will get the job done and if nothing else the sound of multiple rounds being fired very quickly is a good deterent to the 2 legged variety intruder. If I’m not real sure what may be out there I’ll grab my 45 on the way out as well.

    I don’t know about a firefight as Martin spoke of. In the daylight I would not hesitate but in the dark that is another story. Still I believe that a good brand semi-auto 22 LR is a fine weapon to have especially if it is the only one you can afford. All ammo is getting very expensive and hard to come by so don’t use what you have unwisely.

  49. J.T. says:


  50. R Ashworth says: 1953 native girl kills Grizzly bear with 22.

  51. William says:

    Had a Remington pump .22 for years from the mid sixties to late seventies. Used nothing but 22 LR. It was a great target gun, sights were impeccable (never mounted a scope). Great varmint gun. Took lots of small game. It was stolen from a storage shed fire on my dad’s property along with a Winchester 30-30 lever, Savage .410 shotgun and Colt .22 long barrel revolver around 1977. We know who took them but could never prove it and never found it in his possession.

  52. DP says:

    I have a Henry w/open sites … There is nothing more fun to shoot!! I don’t expect to feed the family on what I could kill with it, it won’t make a good “protection” weapon, but like the article says, ammo is dirt cheep, easy to carry…. My shoulder isn’t sore after a couple of hours at the range, and my daughter isn’t intimidated by this sweet little rifle …. I have exactly what I want with this one.

  53. With all this said, if you could only carry one gun in a survival situation, how would a .22/.410 over/under fair?

  54. Lee says:

    you failed to mention HYPER VELOCITY .22lr, for instance CCI stinger @1470 fps and the fastest round ever produced commercially in the world (as far as I know) is the AGUILA SUPERMAX @ 1750 fps & 204 ft lbs energy @ muzzle. they come in both hollow point & SP. There are other HYPER velocity rounds but, for long range accuracy & power, try some of the Supermax. find them here;

  55. AR-7 says:

    Very good article, I am a fan of the 22 cartridge and like the article states it has it’s advantages and disadvantages. But for survival it is an excellent choice in general due to the different “takedown” model rifles like the AR-7 and breakdown Ruger 10-22 that are both lightweight and easily storable in your Bag. I also pack a primitive longbow for bringing down larger game because if all else’s fails you can always make more arrows while ammunition you have to find.

  56. Cody says:

    I used to fish on a river in West Texas, from the age 6 my grand father gave a me a Savage 22 pistol & a Ruger bolt action .22LR. I was knocking off Cotton Mouths @ 25- 30 yards, 1 shot one kill. Even had 1 I shot down the throat. Very good and accurate weapon.Helped me develop for other fire arms.

  57. JB Cook says:

    I grew up on a Farm in Rural America. I will tell you by First hand practical experience that a 22 Magnum is capable of far more than it gets credit for. Several Whitetail Deer have been taken with a 22 WMR. I have numerous high powered rifles. If I were forced to give everything up and have only ONE Firearm, it would be a 22 Magnum. I love my 270 and my 12 gauge shotgun, however, the versatility with the 22 Magnum and the right variety of ammo for it would weigh heavily on the selection scale.

  58. left Coast Chuck says:

    I just read where the head of an ammo manufacturer said that they are producing 1 million rounds of .22 ammo a day. If one considers that the .22 ammo shortage started about a year ago, that means close to 300 million rounds have been produced. There is only about 300 million people in the U.S. and not all of them are hoarding .22 ammo, so what I want to know is which one of you guys has my million rounds of .22 ammo?

  59. Russell says:

    I have 10/22 and I keep it handy when on a hunt with its new 30 extended mag it is a joy to hunt and just do some target plinking but it also is not all I carry I general back it up with a large caliber hand gun with plenty of ammo just in case some thing bigger shows up or for GPs you just need a back up with good knock down power any one else feel it necessary to back up your 10/22 with a large caliber hand gun?

  60. Adam says:

    “Thus, you can take rabbit all day long, preserving the meet with a .22LR, whereas a .223 would leave nothing but a mangled attempt at acquiring a meal.”
    Not true I have shot many rabbits with my .223 … a .223 isn’t that much bigger then a .22 this writer makes it sound as big as a .308 or a 30-06 its not…

  61. Dan H says:

    The key to using a .22 is not taking shots at 100yds, there simply is no need. In a survival situation, hunting is doing things the hardway, trapping/snaring would put far more on the table and the use of a .22 to dispatch trapped critters is far better than wasting a centerfire cartridge.

  62. Capt. Buck Basel says:

    I like your article. I used to own a .22 magnum rifle. I liked the round. it was more expensive then a .22LF. However noway near a center-fire.
    What do you think of it?
    Capt. Buck

  63. Ben P. says:

    The .22 is a good round I have a Remington 550-1 that will shoot .22 short, long, and LR. Out of the same gun. The article above is talking about.taking down a deer with one I’m not saying you can’t make that lucky shot but in almost every state it is illegal to kill a deer with a round smaller that a .223 I realize if it came down to a life or death situation and you had to. The best bet would be a bow or a hand gun. I think preppers should have a handgun 9mm or bigger a shotgun and a takedown .22 in there arsenal.

  64. Lawrence C. Muhr says:

    You have some valid points, both pro and con. You did mention the .223, while it is more powerful that a .22, I believe a .308 or 30.06 will serve the purpose of big game better. There are many other rifles that will also serve your purposes. In my home state, Colorado, the .223 cannot be used for hunting big game. The rational for this is the light bullet weight, (55 grains is standard), is not sufficient to stop deer, elk or bear. Combat has shown it may take several rounds to stop the two legged critters also. Thanks for the post.

  65. Rodney Thibeau says:

    As much as i like to shoot the 22LR, I would prefer a 17HR over the 22. It has a flatter trajectory and a truer shot. The ammo is about the same size with more punch.

  66. Bryant says:

    The 22LR will take a doe. I’ve shot one in the ear as a kid. I did get a butt wiping from my father. But the deer did fall and never moved. So with a skilled shot it can humanly be done.

  67. Redbeard says:

    I love my Marlin bolt action .22lr, and within a range of 50 yards or closer, I would not hesitate a head shot on a deer. However, if I’m packing out for a serious purpose, I’ll have everything from my AR, my 06, 22LR, and probably the Mossberg 500 too. However, these would be used for more of a self defense basis, maybe send my fiance out with the 22LR. I would use my compound bow. Effect for pretty much any North American game animal, and even if you wanted to carry it in your vehicle all the time, you’ll find that you won’t hit all the same restrictions you with with carry a firearm in your vehicle. Also… for those of you who are like me and find yourself in a tight financial situation, past the initial cost of the bow and arrows, you can reuse the ammo for it as long as you don’t mess up the arrows. Only other thing you need is a place to shoot, which again, you won’t face the same restrictions you will with a firearm. Our state rifle/pistol range is miles outside of any town. However, the local archery club is in between two towns.

  68. thomas says:

    This should be common sense while their is no doubt in my mind that some unskilled person killed a deer or bear with a .22 their about a 99% chance this was peer luck. Just like that 60 yr old man that killed a bear with a buck knife. He evens admit it was pure luck and if he had time to pick up his rifle he would have. But he got a lucky juggler shot in when the bear attacked. But not to worry the bear last meal was part of the guys legs. While luck does happen you would be a fool to count on it. As for personal defense their nothing wrong with a 22. Their are 3 reasons why I carry a PT22 for my CC weapon. 1 its light. 2 hitting a person with a 22 is more effective than missing with a larger caliber. 3 while the guy you shoot may be self defense the person behind them isn’t

  69. Kyle wheeler says:

    I’ve have to say hands down with 10/22 long I’ve shot a 4 by 5 buck at little over hundred yards n hit the lungs it didn’t drop right there tracked it n only went 50 yards our less…shot a elk with it unloaded a 10 round clip also with a 22 ruger as well I’ve came across 22 rounds in Nevada n loaded up on a box of 50 for only 4.50 a box n the pawn shop only let me buy 12 box but was worth it can’t find them in Washington

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  72. John says:

    “The hottest of hunting .22LR loads are cruising along at 1,280fps at the muzzle.”

    Not exactly true. A quick look at my .22lr inventory shows ELEVEN examples of higher muzzle velocity rounds:
    Aguila Supermaximum = 1700fps
    Aguila Interceptor = 1470fps
    CCI Segmented HP = 1640fps
    CCI Stinger = 1640fps
    CCI Velocitor = 1435fps
    Federal Spitfire = 1500fps
    Remington Yellowjacket = 1500fps
    Remington Viper = 1410fps
    Winchester SuperX LF Tin HP = 1650fps
    Winchester SuperX Hyper Velocity = 1435fps
    Winchester SuperX Super-Speed HP = 1330fps

    I would gladly try to take most game (even deer if the range is not too far) with any of these rounds and my BL-22.
    (I even have many .22shorts that are in the neighborhood of 1100fps that are perfect for smaller game).

  73. Bob Nogle says:

    I changed to a 22 mag.with a 9inch bbl.very effective and easy to carry.scops are avaiable.

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  75. Nickolas Motsarsky says:

    Good article, but unfortunately, one of your numbers is way off. The hottest 22LR cartridge, Aguila Supermax, is cruising at 1750fps, and the CCI Stinger at 1640fps. Yes, they are lighter to achieve that kind of velocity and speed drops off quicker over distance, but up close they are the most powerful 22LR rounds at approximately 200 ft-lbs at the muzzle, about 75% more than high velocity 22 ammo and 100% more than standard velocity.

  76. Gabe1972 says:

    As the article says, the .22LR is a great round. I’ve taken many raccoons with this round, always with a hollow point. I use a bolt action Marlin, as bolt actions are generally more accurate than semi autos, but to each his/her own. One thing the article was off on, at least at this particular point in time, is the price of the round. Not only very difficult to find, but many places have turned to price gouging, selling a 50ct box for what you paid for a brick of 500 three years ago. I was lucky enough to find one of 550ct box Federal hollow point 36gr a couple of years ago at Wally World for 17 bucks and still have various other types in 50ct boxes, from subsonic to Stingers. A great round, and fun. In a survival situation, it’s not ideal, but it’s better than nothing. I also have a .223, but it’s considerably heavier and the rounds are almost as hard to find these days. All in all, it’s a great round and gives a lot of fun. The best plinking round there is. And up to 100 yards, just as accurate as anything else. I love open sights and refuse to use scopes, even with my .223. A .22 is perfect for this. If you need a scope for it, you are probably too far for the round anyway. Also, the rifles tend to be much less expensive. Just my two cents.

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  78. HIDE BEHIND says:

    While author seems to prefer 22 call rifles as a survival tool: I on otherhand prefer a good quality 22 cal pistol

    We are talking survival hunting with 22 cal noisy firearm thst for all practcle purposes will be usef accurately upon small game, so as not to ruin meat, at ranges of under 100 yards.
    Many fine 22 cal pistols are perfect for those ranges and they are small compact hands free go to weapon as one is engaged in other pusuits.
    A Ruger Mark III hunter is quite capable of 1-1 1/2 hits @100 yards, and has 10 in mag+1 in tube.
    Any family member can pack it and 250 rnds with spare mags and the damned things are super reliable in any wrather vonditions.
    As to my mention of Pellet 177 rifles or even goof quality $500.00, air pistols are far more accurate than any 22 firearm and capable of rabbit raccoon possum beaver dized varmits.
    You can cayy thousands of pellets and even make more of own come need.
    A stashed air or 22 l

  79. doug says:

    Years ago, I did in fact take a whitetail with a single shot .22 ! First shot behind the ear. This disoriented the deer, and it ran about 40 yards and laid down. I was able to come up on it , and fired another shot in it’s head, just behind it’s eye. Again it got up and ran about 40 yards and laid down. Again, I came up on it. This time looking straight in the face, I fired between the eye’s. It laid it’s head down, and I took a 15 min.. walk. When I came back, the deer was dead. This was done with a single shot Springfield .22LR I bought new as a kid for $19.99.
    A whitetail, can be with a 22LR!! I did it

  80. Brent Grubbs says:

    Oh great! This is why prices on 22 ammo has gone through the roof. We got “wig-out” types hoarding 22 ammo, because of articles like this. I just want to hunt squirrels and rabbits with my little lever gun, like I have done for the past 35+ years. I went to buy some 22 mag ammo for the upcoming season, I couldn’t believe the prices on rimfire ammo….if available. Hoarders ruin it for everyone. Idiots going out and buying 10-20 bricks at a time is ridiculous.

  81. Confessor says:

    When I was a teenager I took two mule deer with my 22lr between 50 and 75 yards. One a head shot the other a neck shot just behind the head. I shot a third and screwed up and got a lung shot. I tracked the blood trail for 2 miles, across a dirt road, jumped a fence, left a big blood spot, then nothing. I spent the rest of the evening till after dark searching back and forth for that deer. 30 years later I still lay awake sometimes regretting letting that animal run off to suffer and die somewhere. That said, 22lr will take a deer and is worth the effort if you are in a survival situation with only a 22l and have the opportunity to take a shot.

  82. Mark says:

    You’ve got the right mindset. Too many survivalists seem to think they’ll be able to go into the woods with their AR-15 and boxes of ammo and survive for years. As an avid backpacker who has seen the physical condition of most of the armchair survivalists, I can tell they wouldn’t get far from civilization trying to hump a thousand rounds of .223, and even if they got there, they don’t have the skills to survive. I’ve been harvesting wild edible plants for food since I was a kid, and I don’t just mean picking a few dewberries. I know how to set snares and deadfalls, build fish traps, and even make crude leather from hides. That knowledge, along with a good knife, are all someone really needs. Now my Mossberg 464 would be a nice luxury to have, but if I were only taking one firearm it would be my .22 LR AR-7 which fits neatly into a daypack.

  83. mark card says:

    In my opinion the 22lr rim fire is a great all round gun the shells are cheap the gun is light and you won,to go home with a achy shoulder like my 30/30 lever action gives me it might not ha he the knock down power of my bigger cal guns I still love my 22 plinker and always will .one thing I did notice is that some of the shells they produce nowadays don’t fire I know it’not my gun it’s the ammo 22 ammo is hard to find at a reasonable price at least they should be. Reliable well good luck all you 22 lovers and let’s hope we can find a brick for $20 like we used to.

  84. mik says:

    Im here to say that if your a real hunter and woodsman a .22lr is far more than what you give it credit i firsthand know of moose elk and deer dropping with one to two shots in the vitals and have heard of people takig bears shooting pigs and cattle even a single shot to the noggin to bring down a buffalo by a local processer a .22 mag would do better but a .22is plenty sufficient for a real hunter – woodsman.

  85. john says:

    I just picked up a bucket of 22LR for $69.00 at Field and Stream and then a smaller box of 500 for $29.00 same store. I can shoot all day at the range for $25.00 while those with the .223 or .308 are shooting 20 to 100 rounds for anywhere from $20.00 to over $125.00 I love to shoot for fun and when I need a big round I use it but if you want to have fun the 22 is a great round and I don’t know anyone that will not runaway from you if a 22 is pointed at them.

  86. joshua says:

    i stopped reading when you said the .22lr doesnt have enough punch to bag a white tail well i beg to differ because i have bagged many many white tail in my life and get this EVERY ONE and i mean EVERY ONE of them was with a .22 so take your non information knowing ass down the road.

  87. Cameron says:

    OMG . . . How long are you people planning on being out in the woods or where ever to survive?

    This is a simple concept. For day to day use, and possibly being in the woods for any longer than a week or two, there is no need to have anything bigger than a .22. If you plan on being out there any longer, then perhaps you might want to add a .308 bolt action or perhaps a 12 gauge, but if we are talking about sheer survival rifles for short term trips into the woods, there is no need to carry anything bigger than a .22 in North America.

    If we had been talking about perhaps a different continent, or maybe being out there for months or years on end, this article may have had a point, but come on . . .

  88. Jade says:

    I realize that this is about rifles… however the 22LR cartridge and pistol is and has been the choice of the Israeli Mossad forces. The Beretta Model 70 and the functionally identical Model 71, both in .22 LR, have served with great distinction as the signature terminator pistol of the Mossad, the premiere intelligence agency of the State of Israel. The Beretta 70 was also carried by Israeli Sky Marshals.

  89. MICK J says:

    Don’t you folks have a Cabellas? Even mail order…. These are their cheapest…Nosler® Ballistic Tip® Boat Tail Bullets – .22 Caliber…. And the have a few other type of .22, however pricey. But .22 rounds are not as hard as people are saying.

  90. Cal_Grimalkin says:

    Interesting article. True, in any given situation there are trade offs. Any rifle is better than any handgun in 99% of situations needing a firearm, but you can’t easily carry an AK, AR, Model 1894, or 870 for concealed cary.

    In the northern mid west, back during the depression, plenty of game, including deer were taken by grand parents and aunts and uncles with the lowly .22 rimfire. Mostly, because both rifles and ammo in that caliber were relatively inexpensive, and the relatively low report was less likely to bring the game and fish folks when used in off season hunting.

    To me, the biggest factor in choosing anything for a what-if scenario, is to define what the “IF’s” are. also, what can you reasonably divert from the family budget for daily, weekly, monthly, expenses.

    I think that there is an unrealistic assumption by many “Preppers” as to what life would be like under a true TEOTWAWKI or SHTF situation. Especially if one is forced to leave his normal domicile.

    All that being said, a .22 rimfire should be a part of anybody’s plans. Also, I think that a .22 hornet could be a great choice. They can be loaded down to .22 rimfire ballistics. cast lead bullets could get you up to 175 bullets from a pound of lead or wheel weights, and about 5000 reloads from a pound of powder duplicating rimfire loads. They can also be loaded up to a relatively stout load.

    I had a aunt, up in Michigan’s upper peninsula back in the 50’s and 60’s who regularly killed a white tail deer with an old Savage bolt rifle in .22 hornet.

  91. al says:

    Hmmm, a brick of .22’s. Wow tell me where at . I want some. The local Scheel’s had Remington solid golden boys for $4.99 for a box 50. the local Ace store had Aquilia HV solids for $6 a box and both of these places had a limit on how much. A local gun show ( a big one for this area ) venders had Remington solids $40 to $75 a brick. Maybe it is time to get a .17 cal, because right now there is .17 cal just about every where you turn ( $15 a box of 50 ). As far as how lethal it is, good question. I used to work with a couple of guys yrs ago that claimed to use a .22 and spotlight, said it worked every time. BS on their part, again good question. The only thing Dad ever used on the farm was a .22 hp to put down sick animals. I worked in stock yards part of a packing house for 11 yrs and all we ever used to put down sick and crippled animals was .22 handgun and single shot bolt action rifle, but there again we were only 6 inches to 10 or 12 feet away from the critter. But then again there is the old saying ” it’s better to be warey or sacred of one man / woman with a rifle than it is of the person with 10 rifles.” The one person with a rifle knows what he can do with it.

  92. Kristen Jay says:

    First and foremost for me in choosing a firearm is comfortability. A 22lr is just right. I can shoot very accurately with one..
    It’s a long held myth that the bigger the gun the better. Speaking as a female, that is false. The recoil from anything bigger than 9mm I have difficulty with.
    There are countless crime reports involving people being murdered with a 22lr. ANY caliber ammo can kill

  93. Sarah Marleau says:

    Definitely can take down a deer with a 22lr.

  94. StevefromtheSouth says:

    An article exposing “the myths” should have listed more accurate speeds for the “hunting” rounds in .22 lr – there are several rounds that exceed the author’s single example of 1280 fps, and while they won’t turn your 10/22 into a be-all-end-all solution, something like an Aguila SuperMax will significantly flatten the trajectory (increasing the mpbr) while also increasing the “thump” produced at the terminal end. And while the Aguila round achieves it’s 1700+ fps with a decreased bullet weight, the excellent Velocitor comes close at 1600+ fps with a full 40 grain bullet sporting a well designed hollow point. While neither are big game medicine, they are yet quite a bit more powerful than the single loading the author uses to support his dismissal of the lowly rimfire as anything more than a close range small gamer.

  95. This post is eye-opening:
    Literally exposes a lot of gun safe myths, many of which have been repeated in this thread. 
    Gun safes aren’t as safe as you think. And any “rating” entirely depends on who’s assigning the rating.

  96. art says:

    I grew up hunting the swamps of Fl. as a kid , hunting gaters with a 22 for food it worked well as could be expected !!

  97. Jeff Poole says:

    When I was a boy, WAY longer ago than I like to think about, we lived out on a Texas Hill Country ranch where my dad took care of the stock and the place, and kept the family fed. Often times with venison. Didn’t even own a center fire rifle. A little pump action 22 was all he had. And we ate very well. Never remember him doing anything but a high neck shot. 22 LR hollow point, in the right place, is deadly on whitetail yearlings. If it’s in the right hands, and if those hands belong to a patient hunter that waits for the right shot inside the range of the gun being used. Scopes are nice, but not mandatory inside the range of a 22. Dad did all his work with iron sights.And as I said, we ate a LOT of venison. So much that I didn’t even notice that it was venison. It was just supper.
    While I DO NOT advocate anybody breaking the law by hunting deer with a 22, in a survival situation, with the right attitude and plenty of patience, it CAN be done.
    Very quietly.

  98. Doug says:

    Please, read what you write. Your limit of a minimum of 2000 fps is saying that things like a .44 Magnum, .41 Magnum, or even a .357 Magnum if fired in either a rifle or handgun aren’t going to cut it. Does this make sense to you? Although I do not own a 10 MM pistol, if I did I would not hesitate to carry one and use it. The farmers around here are old and most have used a .22 to put dow livestock. They’ve used solids up close and their aim point is the center of an “X” drawn from the ears to the opposite eyes. As far as big game rifles on rabbits- since the meat lies along the spine and in the hind legs by shooting them in the head you waste little meat-only money. Grouse get nervous and stick their necks up, shooting them in the neck isn’t that hard-you don’t have to worry about up and down alignment only left and right. Deer- Nosler makes an excellent 60 gr. .224 Partition bullet. A FMJ is non-expanding.

  99. Anonymous says:

    Iv got a Henry 22 and iv bagged lots of whitetail with it

  100. Sid Lawrence says:

    I’ve got a Ruger 10/22 WMR. I use it in a variety of situations but mostly as a saddle gun on the ranch. It has a Bushnell Banner 3-9×40 scope and I’ve shot everything from skunks to larger game with it. It’s a tack driver, I stay with Winchester ammo, most of the other stuff is too greasey, it hangs up in the mags.
    Cleaning often is a must, moving cows and sheep is dusty work. But protecting them them from predators is also a must and is a year round task. I carry a S&W 500 for ‘Heavyweights’ That I’ve never had to use. I make enough bounty from coyotes to pay for my 22mag ammo and pay for my build 6.5 Creedmoor.

  101. Dee says:

    I agree. I will never use my .22 for a sniper rifle. For close up self defense situations, a .22 is much better than a 9mm in the drawer at home. And a .22 mag is even better.

  102. Mikial says:

    A very good article, and very well reasoned. I love .22LR . . . who doesn’t. In my lifetime I have used them on everything fro rabbits, to skunks, to woodchucks, to you name it. When I was a child my father used one to kill a rabid fox that was snarling and scratching on our kitchen door. He simply opened the door a crack, put the rifle against the fox’s head, and pulled the trigger once. They work.

    But I would have to have nothing else available before I would try to take deer or hogs with one. They just don;t have the horsepower. Still, I’ll never be without one and plenty of ammo.

  103. Dan Colley says:

    My Dad gave me a Remington .22 Fieldmaster pump for my 13th birthday and I’ve been shooting it ever sense. I’ve gone through phases where I shot it a lot and other phases when I rarely shot it, but I’ve always taken care of it and that is why it is still shooting straight after 55 years. The scopes have come and gone but the bore is still clean and straight. The stock is chipped and has been mended but the action still moves rounds into and out of the chamber with vigor. The only thing I’ve ever had replaced was a firing pin. I’ve shot squirrels and rabbits for food. I’ve killed raccoons, opossums (trash bandits), and even shot prarie dogs. I don’t believe that I would ever consider being without my good ol’ double deuce.

  104. Edward R Henrichsen says:

    Your comment of 1280 being the highest FPS is wrong. You can get Remington Yellowjacket JHPs with 1500 FPS and 165 FPs

  105. CaptGene says:

    The .22 makes a GREAT poaching gun due to being quiet and it has excellent penetration. Shot placement is a must with this cartridge but there was one incident in Jackson, Wyoming, years ago where a couple teens shot and killed a moose on the golf course. And as a boy growing up, we were dirt poor and our Dad used to poach deer all the time with his .22 LR High Standard pistol.

  106. Nick Strickland says:

    Why would you pay $60 for 300 rounds of .22?
    You do have a computer…right? Ever order online? $25- $30 for a 300rnd box of .22

  107. After my 45 auto pistol with its 22 conversion kit, all I would need for survival are my light weight crossbow pistol, hatchet, and knife. Bulk and weight are the enemies of successful packing. Even a five lb. rifle would be a drag better replaced.

  108. Denny says:

    When I was growing up (late 40s – early 50s), I shot several deer with a 22 and they dropped where they stood! It was get them with a 22 or do not eat meat very much! Some times it may even have been longs and not long rifles, I don’t remember. Of course I shot for the neck or head. I do not remember wounding any and having to track them down. We also never had any Scopes! I will take a 22 any time!!

  109. With some skill a .22 rifle can put meat on the table when TSHTF, and they are a lot of fun to shoot at the range. With a lot of “LUCK” a .22 can be used for self-defense.

  110. Michael says:

    I grew up with a .22 and a single shot 20 gauge… As a kid on the farm I used the 20 gauge far more often to get rid of common pests. As I grew older I started using the .22 more often. However, I had 2 really bad events while using it against raccoons that didn’t end well for everybody concerned.. Then I got stranded overnight in the forest without a firearm or protective clothing or equipment. The temp was in the low 40’s and it poured all night. A damn bear circled me all night. Worried the hell out of me. I did manage to get a fire going and spent every minute trying to keep it going with wet wood. The fire saved my life. I had to walk out the next day which gave me a lot of time to think. I saw no deer. I saw no small game. What I did see was a lot of small birds. I remembered the many days of deer hunting when I saw nothing. I remembered that I always saw small birds of some kind. Once in awhile a small rodent of some kind. When I was shaking cold, hungry and sapped of energy the last thing I wanted was a .22… I sold my .22 rifles and now own 20 gauge shotguns. I keep a couple of single shots, a couple of O/U’s and perhaps in the future I may buy a pump.. I keep a large supply of shells of various shot sizes. I keep a lot of #8 and 7.5’s with a smaller amount of 6’s and 4’s. I have a few hundred #1 buckshot for defense. That is all I need and all I want. With this I can feed myself when I couldn’t with a .22. I’m too old to be bugging out so carrying loads of ammo isn’t an issue. As my eyes get dimmer hitting things with a shotgun isn’t an issue. Everyone has their own choice to make and a lot depends on where you live. I now live in the desert Southwest. Small birds and rabbits are common. Deer not so much. I could spend the day in the desert an be fairly sure I would come home with something however odd it may be. With a .22 I might just go hungry.

  111. Tom says:

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