The NRA was wrong in a statement made by Chris Cox and then reaffirmed by Wayne LaPierre concerning a comment made by presumptive presidential nominee Donald Trump about the Orlando shooting. Here is Cox's quote: “No one thinks that people should go into a nightclub drinking and carrying firearms, that defies common sense. It also defies the law.”
Wayne LaPierre reiterated those sentiments in a recent interview he did, you can check that out here:
Now, I'm about to go out on a limb here and potentially alienate myself from some of you. And, that's okay because we are allowed to disagree on some things—just as long as we both agree that the Second Amendment is for the right of the people to keep and bear arms. That's all I really care about. But, I wanted to take a second to point out why I believe what he said was wrong.
First off, I disagree when he says “No one thinks that people should go into a nightclub drinking and carrying firearms…”
Personally, I don't drink much and I don't find myself in a lot of bars these days. And yes, while it's probably not a good idea to carry a gun in a bar where you can get hammered and into a fight, people still have the right to keep and bear arms. That right shall not be infringed. Period. Granted, each individual state does infringe on that right, to some extent.
For example, Florida does put forth some very strange concealed carry laws within an alcohol distributing establishment. You can drink, but can't be in a place where alcohol is the primary source of income for the establishment. If it is not the primary income, you must stay out of the bar area. I'm not sure how the place where the terror attack is set up, so I really cannot comment about this one.
Because I can't comment, let's get back to the topic at hand…
In my own humble opinion, it is a little hypocritical for him to say that you can't carry in a bar, while claiming to fight for the right to keep and bear arms. And, I also disagree with his point that it “defies common sense.” I have the right to self-defense regardless of where I am. Looking at it from the view of a law abiding citizen: as long as I'm allowed to be there with my firearm, I'll go. Which, I guess brings me to my next point and area where he is wrong…
While it is against the laws of some states to carry a concealed weapon into a bar, it is far from illegal in all of them. For him to state that it “defies the law,” is just plain silly. Now, you could make the argument that he was speaking about Florida law. But, if you watch the interview with Cox, you see him say that it is illegal across the country. Simply not true. I can think of a few states off the top of my head without such laws that make drinking and carrying in a bar totally fine. One such state, is my home state—Pennsylvania.
I feel like the leaders for the NRA should know that. Yes, it is hard to keep up with the laws of all 50 states, but I knew that and I'm not a big wig in any firearms rights groups. I'm just a little dude, so to speak. Also, I feel like people often speak without fully learning the truth, first.
But, that's not even the main point. The point, is that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed—not even under the influence of alcohol. Again, while it's not a good idea to get utterly wasted and go play Yosemite Sam in the moonlight, the right of the people cannot be infringed.
What if I decided that I'd take my wife dancing at the local alcohol serving nightclub, while on vacation in Florida. I would likely be over cautious because I don't live there, and I'd leave my firearm at home. After all, I worked as a corrections officer and don't do well behind bars. So, I leave my little snub at home, and after hours of pretending to dance (but likely doing something else, entirely, because I cannot dance), we walk out to the car only to get jumped.
We each only had one or two drinks, and I'm now regretting my choice to leave my firearm in the lock-box at the hotel. Now instead of having my revolver in my hand for self-defense, I need to throw my big ass around a bit to hurt people the old fashioned way. What if there were three aggressors?
I'd do my best, but I'm not as good as I once was…
Catch my drift? Why would I have even gotten assaulted to begin with? Because my attackers saw me leaving a place where they knew it was illegal to have a firearm. In other words, I was at a “soft target.” Is it a stretch? Yep. Then again, so was an ISIS soldier leading a terrorist attack in Orlando, Florida.
The right of the people shall not be infringed under any circumstances. There are already too many laws on the books telling us where we can and cannot go with our self-defense tools, why add anymore? The leaders of the NRA need to know that. They need to understand that they are our best chance at freedom due to their sheer size, alone.
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It actually is not mine. I’ll ask the guy who made the video, but I can’t promise anything.
The problem with that line of reasoning is that many restaurants serve alcoholic beverages, including our favorite sushi house and Chinese buffet that serves beer if you want one. My wife and I never drink outside of our home . . . period. But we do carry our guns and go out to eat. It took many years of effort here in Virginia to get the law repealed that forbade carrying in any establishment that sells alcohol. It was a stupid law. Olive Garden sells wine for crying out loud, so it used to be illegal to carry your gun there. Does that make sense to you?
I am a firm supporter of the NRA, but yes, this was a stupid statement.
I am a retired military police commander, civil police officer and served as an armed security director for 16 years. I am a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, a endowment member and Golden Eagle with the NRA and a Constitutionist. I much agree with you that the language of the U.S. Constitution is very plain, the right of the people shall not be infringed.
I am also a student of history and there is an old saying ” people get the government they deserve”. The modern crop of Americans are, for the most part, not cut from the same stuff that are ancestors were. There is still a remnant that loves liberty and are willing to defend it but far too many believe that big government give away are preferred to the labor and uncertainty of Liberty.
Our Founders wrote and ordered our national government to make state governments, which are accountable to the people superior to the national government. The national government is confined and restricted to limited functions. Unfortunately wicked and ambitious politicians have usurped these requirements and seized powers that do not belong to them. Infringing the right of the people to bear arms is one of their favorite pastimes.
That does not change the true meaning of the Constitution but unless Americans understand and defend their rights they have no rights. Every public officer holder, Armed Forces member and law enforcement takes an oath to “support and defend” the Constitution of the United States. Very few honor that oath and are thereforth guilty of malfeasance of office.
I fear worst is ahead. But I have faith in the remnant of those who truly love Liberty.
Josh, I wholeheartedly agree with your logic. While I don’t condone getting fool ass drunk anytime, I do like a beer or two with my pizza. As a Virginia transplant now living in Wisconsin , we can carry in a place that serves alcohol, but not drink alcohol-something like a designated driver. I have also visited one of my daughters in Florida and taken advantage of the laws there by having a beer in a restaurant with my steamed Blue Crabs – a Cola just doesn’t do it. I also think that the laws governing this topic should be universal to reduce the confusion from state to state. I appreciate you addressing this subject in a rational and logical manner. Also, the NRA should get their act together. Thank you and be safe.
Always carry. All the time! If even a small percentage were prepared in Orlando the results would have been much different.
I can command a 6000lb killing machine at .08 so I can certainly still use good judgement and muzzle control if it is needed! If you don’t think you can, then that’s ok. You leave your gun at home. I got your back brother.
It is still about personal responsibility. I will be responsible for my actions. You be responsible for yours.
It may surprise the NRA heads that some people go to bars to EAT. I had a favorite bar in a small town in Ohio where the burgers were the best. It was family friendly. A lot of states that allow carrying in bars mandate no drinking while carrying. Will some cheat? Do monkeys like bananas? We are not all perfect, some are downright dishonest – even licensed carriers. Bottom line, I agree that, where it is legal, we have the right to carry and protect. And yes, someone in Orlando should have resisted. No one did. We have become a nation of wimps, thanks to the PC crap coming from our illustrious representatives in DC. So be an American and resist the tyranny that comes from any (and some surprising) sources, even the trusted ones. Maybe it is time to tighten our filters. Listening, NRA?
I apologize for the language but, to me you are picking fly shit out of pepper.
I completely agree. The founders agonised over the wording of the con and biil of right because they understood there would be nay sayers who wuold do exactly what they are doing now dithering over semantics. They wrote shall not be infringed, not to be regulated at will. Being nice and compromising is a great human trait BUT when “compromise” means reading a diferent meaning into our laws it is NOT compromise it is capitulation, and it perverts the meaning of our freedoms. The disatrous ment capitulation being fed to America about the constitution being a “living document” is nothing short of seditious claptrap to allow the weak minded an avenue of attack to undermine the document. The meaning of words do NOT change over time the “use” may change but NOT the meaning. I am tired of our so called leaders capitulating to what ammounts to treason and this includes the NRA.
I think he was simply saying that it’s foolish to drink when you’re carrying. Laws aside, many people don’t have enough common sense to not play Wyatt Earp BEFORE they get drunk. Laws? No, but common sense is paramount.